Curse

Ricebox · Sep 16, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

A suggestion:

How bout introducing a new rare and expensive crafting material that can only be used to forge 15^50 mods (and the like) to your weapons???

Also if that is not enough, A new forgemaster should be introduced and is located in a difficult to reach place. Sort of like a fow forgemaster...

As a result: traders still have a reason to sell perfect rare skinned 15^50 weapons at a high price!

AnnaCloud9 · Sep 16, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Please, please. Listen...

Please?

Ok:

If. You. Want. Rare. Skinned. Weapons. Items. And Armors. Then. Work. Hard. And. Buy. Them.

You will never be able to compare people's armor they wear, to the weapon they hold. Why? Because thankfully, people like you don't control the market place for armors. Ectos/shards have been steady for ages. Buying armor is a legitimate way for any player to feel gratification, without feeling like they just got ripped off by some solo farmer looking for a big score. Because now the average person can have a simple goal: take a trip through the Shiverpeaks and find the max summit axe they've always wanted. Will this be the end of it? Of course not. They'll need mods. Does it have to be Gold? For gawd's sake, no, and that's been the most common misperception in Guild Wars. Gold never meant anything, except to the market. Why would gold/purple items be obsolete? They'll still be the ones that have the highest mods. You have to change your process of selling, that's all. And those so-called "uber" dwarven axes, etc, they'll still be just as rare. I don't know why you can't grasp that. I for one have been using collector and green items for 18 months, but ironically, I don't wear collector armor anymore. Because thankfully you're not in control of how popular my armor is from one day to the next.

jackie · Sep 16, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Agreed. To those of us that actually play the game (be it farming/questing/PvPing, whatever), this will change nothing. This only changes outrages rates at which people try to sell incredibly rare (and not-as-rare) drops. This affects the 'power-traders'.

So trading is not part of the game anymore? Can't ppl have fun by trading and treasure hunting?

Trading and collecting rare things is very very satisfying to some of us. It has never been a must in Guild Wars to get perfect golden items because there are collector & green items to replace them.

wilderness · Sep 16, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by jackie

So trading is not part of the game anymore? Can't ppl have fun by trading and treasure hunting?

Trading and collecting rare things is very very satisfying to some of us. It has never been a must in Guild Wars to get perfect golden items because there are collector & green items to replace them.

Once again. This is the point.

Even if this change happens with gold items, there will be some essential commodity for these weapons that will reach exactly the same vaues that people are trading in now. So nothing will change. We'll just swap base skins for inherent mod components, or w/e.

It's called supply and demand. You can't take that away from a market unless you put every item on an NPC vender and fix the prices.

This isn't about right or wrong, it's about how markets actually work.

meerkats · Sep 16, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

You will probably find that by adding the inscription to the weapon will also customise it the weapon to the character therefore negating 99% the arguments against this GOOD addition to guildwars.

Oofus · Sep 16, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

Ectos/shards have been steady for ages. Buying armor is a legitimate way for any player to feel gratification, without feeling like they just got ripped off by some solo farmer looking for a big score.

So what you are saying here is that the casual gamer can get FoW armor? Think again, FoW armor costs roughly 1 million gold. If you can gather that much gold to piss away on flashy armor then how dare you complain about the price of weapons. If you feel like you got ripped off when you bought a weapon then it’s probably because you did, try paying attention and don’t pay 200k for a req 8 15^50 Great Axe. If you do buy it for 200k then don’t blame the market, blame yourself because that axe can be bought for 15k easily. The appeal of rare weapon isn’t that they cost a fortune, it’s that they are RARE and hard to get, they cost a fortune BECAUSE they are RARE, the only reason YOU want them and complain about not having them is because they are RARE. Take away that rarity and what’s the point of having it? Yea I know….”they look nice” Lots of weapons that don’t cost a fortune look nice, buy those.

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

And those so-called "uber" dwarven axes, etc, they'll still be just as rare. I don't know why you can't grasp that.

No it will not be “just as rare”, it will be virtually commonplace to have one. Literally thousands upon thousands of Dwarven axes have dropped, but only a very small fraction of those have perfect damage mods on them and THAT is what makes them rare. I don’t know why YOU can’t grasp that!

By the way I have decided that every time I log onto a character that character deserves a free 10,000 Kurzick faction. Why? Because I don’t want to have to GRIND for faction just so I can control a town or collect amber. Oh and while I am at it, I also want to have all the mobs and bosses die when I come within agro range of them because I shouldn’t have to kill them to beat a mission or clear an area. And start my characters off at level 20, rank 12, with several sets of FoW armor, and every weapon imaginable, that way there is absolutely no point in playing this game anymore.

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Even if this change happens with gold items, there will be some essential commodity for these weapons that will reach exactly the same vaues that people are trading in now. So nothing will change. We'll just swap base skins for inherent mod components, or w/e.

Gee that sounds fun, everyone selling th exact same thing.

I can see it now: Ventari Sell filled with thousands of threads all saying the exact same thing; "WTS 15^50 mod 5k". And yes they would sell at 5k after about a month because the only thing left to farm would be mods and the market would quickly become flooded with them. Result: trading becomes obsolete.

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Twonaiver · Sep 16, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

think this is the best news about nightfall ever, if this is true anet will get my 50 bucks for sure, i love you anet, sory i doubt you on factions.

this is great news, preorder here i come.

Theus · Sep 16, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Doofus

By the way I have decided that every time I log onto a character that character deserves a free 10,000 Kurzick faction. Why? Because I don’t want to have to GRIND for faction just so I can control a town or collect amber. Oh and while I am at it, I also want to have all the mobs and bosses die when I come within agro range of them because I shouldn’t have to kill them to beat a mission or clear an area. And start my characters off at level 20, rank 12, with several sets of FoW armor, and every weapon imaginable, that way there is absolutely no point in playing this game anymore.

What a retarded counter argument.

moriz · Sep 16, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

you know, the salvaging success rate for inscriptions will probably be fairly low, so while there are many weapons with the 15^50 mod, most of them won't be salvaged successfully, and most of them are collector items (which probably won't be able to be salvaged anyways). the going price for a high end mod will probably be very high. basically, i think Anet will make sure that high end rare items will still worth quite a bundle.

another restriction, which i find to be perfectly viable, is to make the inscriptions only work on customized gear. that way, high end rare items simply won't be affected as much.

Oofus · Sep 16, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Hey Theus thanks for sharing your superior intellectual prowess with the rest of us, how long did it take you to come up with the incredibly witty idea to add a "D" to the front of my name? Grow up little one, no need to be an ass and insult people.

The Herbalizer · Sep 16, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Way I see it is its just like in real life. People see a person with a nice car maybe a Bentley or something and hate on him. If the person is not near his car maybe someone will key it or if it is a convertable they will spit inside or slash the roof. Why? Because he is rich.

Now this can be applied in-game too. People hate on rich people because they are rich. Yeah some made their gold through illegitamate ways i.e. ebaying but so do people in real life i.e. drugs.

People hate on rich people because they are jealous. They have something poor people dont. Do they deserve this hate? In most cases no.

There are people in real life who winge about the price of luxury goods. Just like in-game. In real life there are imitation luxury goods and also similar looking ones for a fraction of the price. In Guild Wars there are collectors items and greens. Just like in real life there is no need for luxury goods. They are exactly that, a luxury item. They are not essential for living a good life. Just like in Guild Wars expensive / rare items are not essential.

These inscriptions would most likely be expensive so alot of grind is required to buy them. They will fall in price as more are found and there would be everyone with a perfect Dwarven, Serpent, Crystalline etc. Only a very small number of people who own perfect ones customize them. So buying a plain purple one cheaply and customizing it would make it as good as a perfect one.

I cant be bothered to reply here as all I see is lots of jealous people filled with hatred. There are people here who remind me of able bodied / minded people in real life who want to claim benefits their entire life and do no work due to laziness. It is truely sickening.

Oznog · Sep 16, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

God I love it when ANET puts out info like this without making it totally clear what the new procedure for salvaging/selling/customizing will be. It's great fun to watch the self-proclaimed "rich" go into defensive panic mode.

"OMFG im gonna quit if ANET makes my collection of 1's and 0's worthless".

That one dude said half his guild is going to ragequit. Since when do we like ragequitters anyway?

I have to say that I am reasonably well-off in terms of in-game wealth. I have a stack of ectos, stack of shards, 1000k in the bank (all of this non-Ebayed, for you instant doubters out there) and I hope to hell ANET does make this change.

Let me put it in perspective for those of you pissing and moaning about the imminent drop in the your personal worth: I don't care. And neither, I think, do any of the other posters here that are in favor of this change. Or ANET for that matter.

You went through the grind to either get the items or get the gold to buy the items. Good for you. I grind also, I just choose to spend my money elsewhere-armor, friends, etc. The point is you chose to grind. Nowhere in the EULA does it guarantee the price of your items.

I think that there are a few people out there, those that scraped and saved for that purple, +13% while hexed crystalline that would appreciate the chance to make this sword usable for something other than "wielding a sundering crystalline sword of fortitude" (it would almost HAVE to be sundering/fortitude) and then switching to their reliable req. 12 15^50 longsword with the furious/defense mods.

To sum up:

I think that the arrogance and narcissim of some of the "rich" surpasses understanding. Personally, I do not think that the changes ANET is planning for the inherent modifiers/salvage system is going to work exactly the way these people seem to think it is. And if it does? Quit. I won't miss you and ANET already has your money for at least two chapters (plus however many extra accounts were purchased to use as mules for all of your perfectly modded weapons). If ANET makes these changes it will because they believe it to be in the best interest of the game. Believe it or not, the game will go on without you. It will not collapse into a shattered, empty husk at the mere thought of your exalted presence leaving.

In my heart of hearts I like to think that there are some people out there thinking of buying this game, searching the forums for information that will run across this thread. These are casual gamers that will be gratified at the thought of purchasing a game where nice, rare, "elite" weapons can be obtained without 1000+ hours of grinding. These nice folks will, hopefully, more than make up for the ragequitters and wealthy elite that decide Guild Wars, a video GAME, is no longer for them.

My $.02

FLAME ON

wilderness · Sep 16, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Theus

What a retarded counter argument.

Actually, that was a very fine point.

Also, maybe there could be outpost Skins that you could apply to your GH. That way everyone gets to own one. I mean why should only those who put the effort in get to control the outposts. It's so unfair.

And you shouldn't have to beat HoH to get the chest. You chould have one you can buy for you GH and open whenever you're feeling resentful, slightly embittered, or put off by anyone who puts a lot of time and effort into something and (god forbid) gets some kind of reward for it.

Oh and aslo this:

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Originally Posted by Oznog

I think that there are a few people out there, those that scraped and saved for that purple, +13% while hexed crystalline that would appreciate the chance to make this sword usable for something other than "wielding a sundering crystalline sword of fortitude" (it would almost HAVE to be sundering/fortitude) and then switching to their reliable req. 12 15^50 longsword with the furious/defense mods.

I think that the arrogance and narcissim of the "rich" surpasses understanding.

Like the arrogance and narcissim of 'scraping and saving' to buy an unfunctional sword just for the skin when there's a heap perfectly functional less 'cool' skins to choose from?

Hmm..

Inari · Sep 16, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Pls lets not bring the "real life" arguement in this...

If gw had the logic that some ppl here think it's economy have, than most monsters wont drop items...
If you wanna go by logic than make the monsters that do use items drop them.
And if you want logic, than crafters should be able to craft lotsa skins. With various mods.

And pls, while I do acknoledge that some ppl in the game actually collect rare stuff, most of the traders do this for money, and not for fun. Paying 20 mil for a skin that drops only in pvp is NOT logical. Paying 100k for Swords and Axes is NOT logical.

The only ppl who could see this potential change is those who afraid that their uber sword or axe would no longer worth that much.
So friggin' what? If anyone could get what they want a little more easily, or in a diffrent way, what harm can it do? You will still have to farm for ectos and shards, for mods possibly.

Oh, and the only reason ppl like rare items is cuz its gold/yellow.
A blue and yellow Gladius would have diffrent values... Its all about the color, not that stats.

Oznog · Sep 16, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

If you are going to quote me, please don't change the context to make it fit your "argument".

Sign off deleted so as to be taken seriously. By people on an internet forum. Because that is important.

Oz

majoho · Sep 16, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Oofus

Hey Theus thanks for sharing your superior intellectual prowess with the rest of us, how long did it take you to come up with the incredibly witty idea to add a "D" to the front of my name? Grow up little one, no need to be an ass and insult people.

Dude you're having a problem here you made a completely ignorant argument and he called you on it.

I pity the people that are throwing tantrums over how this will ruin the game for everyone, you people should take a chill pill.

No one knows for sure how exactly it will work yet - as someone mentioned it might be that when you change the inherent mod it will customize the weapon, who knows.

The Herbalizer · Sep 16, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Inari

Pls lets not bring the "real life" arguement in this...

If gw had the logic that some ppl here think it's economy have, than most monsters wont drop items...
If you wanna go by logic than make the monsters that do use items drop them.
And if you want logic, than crafters should be able to craft lotsa skins. With various mods.

And pls, while I do acknoledge that some ppl in the game actually collect rare stuff, most of the traders do this for money, and not for fun. Paying 20 mil for a skin that drops only in pvp is NOT logical. Paying 100k for Swords and Axes is NOT logical.

The only ppl who could see this potential change is those who afraid that their uber sword or axe would no longer worth that much.
So friggin' what? If anyone could get what they want a little more easily, or in a diffrent way, what harm can it do? You will still have to farm for ectos and shards, for mods possibly.

Oh, and the only reason ppl like rare items is cuz its gold/yellow.
A blue and yellow Gladius would have diffrent values... Its all about the color, not that stats.

Er what that people hate on the rich in real life just like they do in-game. And usually because of jealousy. They have something we dont its sooo unfair. Who wants to actually work for something.

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Originally Posted by majoho

Dude you're having a problem here you made a completely ignorant argument and he called you on it.

I pity the people that are throwing tantrums over how this will ruin the game for everyone, you people should take a chill pill.

No one knows for sure how exactly it will work yet - as someone mentioned it might be that when you change the inherent mod it will customize the weapon, who knows.

What that Oofus pointed out that if people dont want to work for things then they should also whine about faction, armor etc. Makes perfect sense what he said. I have seen tons of people in this thread whine about how they think it is their right to have rare/expensive items for doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Oznog

If you are going to quote me, please don't change the context to make it fit your "argument".

kthxbye

Oz

If you are attempting to even present an argument use correct grammar. I certainly cant take you seriously with comments such as kthxbye as it comes across as childish amd immature.

Anyway I am more than confident that it wont happen how most people think. Actually I am certain it wont affect me

wilderness · Sep 16, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Oznog

If you are going to quote me, please don't change the context to make it fit your "argument".

Nono, I don't think you understand context

You see, you made two completely conflicting statements to fuel the same point.

Oh, and what Herb said.

Inari · Sep 16, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Herbelizer, there is no "work" in farming, just counting on luck.
In life you actually get paid for work everytime, its not one month Im lucky one month Im not.

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What that Oofus pointed out that if people dont want to work for things then they should also whine about faction, armor etc. Makes perfect sense what he said. I have seen tons of people in this thread whine about how they think it is their right to have rare/expensive items for doing nothing.

What rare/expansive items?! What does a 15^50 chaos axe do that a collector axe doesnt? Oh, so its about the look huh?
Pls, its all about the looks and the color.

Oznog · Sep 16, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Are my feelings supposed to be hurt by the name calling? Is it not acceptable to try and inject a little humor into your oh so serious "don't mess with my uber items" thread?

By "change the context" I meant exactly that. He took one complete paragraph, edited the transition I used: "To sum up", and then took the first sentence of a completely new paragraph with no explanation as to the context of that sentence in the new paragraph. Hence, out of context.

Out of curiosity, which "two completely conflicting statements" did you mis-read as being conflicting?

Oz